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  1. Gladiator Dajova
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    Ok, so TB posted this not too long ago and it got me kinda upset when i heard about this... I live in Sweden, so we aren't really affected by it, but it's still upsetting...



    Just the idea that a single law could shut down major sites, like YouTube, it's just discusting...
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    Dajova said:
    I live in Sweden, so we aren't really affected by it

    Wait.. What!!..

    Let's say I'm a member of a bulletin board hosted in the US. One of the members of this BB creates a post containing copyrighted material (image/text/whatever). Anyone (!!), yes, anyone can, in theory, order this site blocked form US based DNS services. If for example, Google, chooses to index this post, to make searching easier for us, the person who put the ban upon the BB (where the original copyrighted material was posted) can actually order US based DNS services to close down Google.

    In fact, if Activision, who are one of the largest supporters of SOPA, wanted to, they could easily rewrite the TOS of World of Warcraft to ban any publications of any WoW-related material without written consent. If they wanted to, they could shut down Tukui.org, wowhead, wowinterface and jsut about any other WoW-site, or in fact, any other gaming site on the internet due to them owning the copyright to so many games.

    And Tukz could have me shut down my business if I wanted to put some of his code on my site.

    So yes, I would say the entire world is actually affected by SOPA.

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    Heard about this a few days ago.

    The American Government wants more control over shit, /surprised.

    There's a reason the whole world hates them. :)

    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it.
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    Hydra said:
    Heard about this a few days ago.

    The American Government wants more control over shit, /surprised.

    There's a reason the whole world hates them. :)

    Quoted for emphasis. SOPA is shit and every company supporting it should be lootbanned IRL.

    I've been a regular reader at torrentfreak for my daily fix of copyright horror. I'm amazed by some of the stuff thats going on, on a global scale. Not to mention the draconian censoring of sites happening back here in Denmark aswell.
    Worst part is that every technical block they come up with will be countered by other technical measures. Talk about a waste of tax money.

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    Blazeflack said:
    Talk about a waste of tax money.

    Especially for a country that's 15 trillion dollars in debt.

    Zing.

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    I've got to admit, I pirate a lot, mostly tv shows and some crappy sci-fi movies. For music, I use Spotify and the stuff I got ripped from by own CD's to the computer.
    The reson I pirate is simple. There is no good streaming services available.
    If the media mafia could understand that if they developed some good streamign services where people could watch the latest movies and tv-shows, they'd probably cut piracy in half at once.
    I would gladly pay for the stuff I watch. Unfortunately, there is no way I can pay for it in a convenient way.

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    If porn didn't exist on the internet, I think computer-usage would be straight up cut by half.

    bewbs! ( . )( . )
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    Trokko said:

    Dajova said:
    I live in Sweden, so we aren't really affected by it

    Wait.. What!!..

    Let's say I'm a member of a bulletin board hosted in the US. One of the members of this BB creates a post containing copyrighted material (image/text/whatever). Anyone (!!), yes, anyone can, in theory, order this site blocked form US based DNS services. If for example, Google, chooses to index this post, to make searching easier for us, the person who put the ban upon the BB (where the original copyrighted material was posted) can actually order US based DNS services to close down Google.

    In fact, if Activision, who are one of the largest supporters of SOPA, wanted to, they could easily rewrite the TOS of World of Warcraft to ban any publications of any WoW-related material without written consent. If they wanted to, they could shut down Tukui.org, wowhead, wowinterface and jsut about any other WoW-site, or in fact, any other gaming site on the internet due to them owning the copyright to so many games.

    And Tukz could have me shut down my business if I wanted to put some of his code on my site.

    So yes, I would say the entire world is actually affected by SOPA.

    What i meant that, in sweden, one of the largest supporters for the private sector is in our goverment, that mainly supported TPB in one of the largest trials in Sweden. That means that we don't have the filter restrictions that most other countries have with some copyright and banned material. That's what i meant that we don't have same sort of problems as most others.

    Don't get me wrong, i'm just about upset as anyone else... Just saying that, from my POV, that we have a more understanding goverment than, for example, the US.

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  9. Rival Trokko
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    Uhmm..
    Who do you mean by "one of the largest supporters for the private sector in our government"?
    We (yup, I'm a swede as well) did *not* have any supporters in our government for TPB during the trial against them.

    And we do actually have the threat of having our internet shut down any given day due to some idiotic laws that got passed the last couple of years (FRA, IPRED, Datalagringsdirektivet). Sure, the threat is not as imminent as it will be in the US ifthe SOPA bill is passed, but the threat is still there.

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  10. Gladiator Dajova
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    Don't tell me that you've never heard of "Piratpartiet"? Sure, they never really actually got into the goverment officially, but still had quite a lot of supporters bespite that, meaning that we can have a bit more "freedom" with what we can use the internet for.

    Sure, the threat is still there, even for us... But it's not as severe as most other countries, cause we have a different kind of agreement.

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    Of course I've heard of PP, I'm a member. :)

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    Chinese gov has done this for content review since several years ago by using the firewall called "Great Fire Wall". So we can't visit many foreign websites like Youtube , Facebook , twitter etc... because these sites contains things that our government doesn't want to see. Also like Google, if we search some keywords violated lows and rules made by the government, that the connections will be reset and make us can't visit these sites in a long time.

    About copyright ? This may be a joke in China now, many people didn't want to pay for the things are not in real life, such as buy a software, they are happy to prefer to use illegal copy。But now , this situation seems to be changed a lot.,people with high education should know the importance of copyright. as time goes by , this may be a good start.

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    Popptise said:
    But now , this situation seems to be changed a lot.,people with high education should know the importance of copyright. as time goes by , this may be a good start.

    If I understood you correctly you think that SOPA is a step in the right direction? I heavily disagree. While we can easily agree that copyright in its initial form and concept (which was to protect innovators, not the corrupt corporate fatcats) was a good thing, copyright in its current form actually slows down innovation. The entertainment industry constantly tries to kill off new technical wonders simply because it will hurt their own business. The worst part is they get the governments to back them up by hiding behind copyright claims and claims of musicians and film makers going bankrupt.

    Copyright does no longer do what it was supposed to when it was written into law and it should either be rewritten or removed completely. The only people copyright protects are the corporate executives.

    Stuff like Megabox, where artists get 90% of the profit from selling their music is a step in the right direction in my opinion. Cut out the middleman (entertainment industry) so consumers can enjoy cheap entertainment, while the creators still collect a bigger profit now that the middleman doesn't fill his pockets first.

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    Well spoken Blaze, I am one of those people who first started downloading music as I didn't wanted to buy whole albums or the music wasn't availiable in my local music shop..

    Then there came I-Tunes and I started to buy my music from there, the prices are affordable and the intigration with my Ipod and Mac's made it really worth it. Steam is also a great example how it should be done as it is easy and has a great system behind it.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhzseJLeAeo - looks like they're pro-porn but yet, they don't like pirates and people posting something with a copyright.

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    Living in Brazil, everything from outside my country is overpriced, while people pay $20 for something I pay R$37 to get the same thing, now imagine something thats expensive already in their home country like a graphic card video that was just released, its $300 or so for americans and over a thousand in my currency here.

    This is why I use the pirates bay, movies, games, everything is so expensive here, I wouldn't want to waste money buying something expensive that im not sure if I will like.

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    roguerogue does make a good point there, but then again with my last statement.. make the product easely avaliable for the consumer and even on steam there are demo´s and "free" versions out so you can check and see if you like it or not.

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    Loads of websites are down in protest of SOPA today, if you haven't already noticed.

    bewbs! ( . )( . )
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    Yep, but most of the site will start at 8AM (5 hours to go) America Eastern time until 8PM. It will be the same for Tukui. The blackout will be done automatically at 8PM.

    Back on WoW for MoP, streaming almost everytime I play here.
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    WB - stupid SOPA

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    Did any of you follow the last part of Athene's show where people were bombed on blogtv? :P Quite entertaining.

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    batman guy was awesome xD

    Back on WoW for MoP, streaming almost everytime I play here.
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    Haha yeah, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. The only way it could have been better was if he actually found a sax in the closet :P

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    Arrrgghh blame this crap that is currently on hold until May for ruining my daily Tukui forum fix.

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    Both Own3d.tv and Twitch.tv have their own campaign to this. I'm surprised they haven't closed their sites, but i guess they would lose more money than expected.

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